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matto4x4 13-02-2008 23:07:20
Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
hola ya que no pude publicar en proyectos espero que lo muevan alli.
Nombre del proyecto:
-suzuchevy v6
-jeep samurrai sj413 edicion especial.
-upgrade:
- motor v6 3.8 cc chevrolet.
- caja chevrolet 4 marchas con dual.
- ejes dana
- paquetes de resortes h-100

-aca van algunas fotos de lo que se a hecho, en taller de felipe calderon .
:lol:

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3...rade028uf9.jpg

puesta de motor.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7...rade032ak3.jpg

Nuevos soportes.
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5...rade018he5.jpg
aca con camellon cortado.

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3...rade024sf0.jpg

caja a la vista de chevrolet c-20.
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/5...rade034zs7.jpg

motor instalado, se ve mas chico de lo que pensaba, eso si necesito cambiar los multiples de escape por falta de espacio.

matto4x4 16-02-2008 00:05:25
Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
mas fotos ya van 2 dias aa full time ...

y faltaria montar direccion y fijar caja chevrolet.

saludos

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/491...ade2023oy4.jpg

:arrow: quien podra mover a proyectos ??? gracias...

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/1...ade2029xu4.jpg

:evil:

matto4x4 18-02-2008 10:51:25
Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
necesito transfer gm np 205 .....

o alguna compatible para dif dana .

matto4x4 19-02-2008 11:01:44
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
ya le estamos dando partidaaa ..

saludos
:twisted:

Kruger 19-02-2008 23:32:44
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
Cita:
Empezado por matto4x4 (Mensaje 523321)
ya le estamos dando partidaaa ..

saludos
:twisted:
que motor es ese 3.8??

el 262 es 4.3..........

RAUL VEGA 19-02-2008 23:52:12
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
Cita:
Empezado por Kruger (Mensaje 523646)
que motor es ese 3.8??

el 262 es 4.3..........
¿ Buick?, con orden de encendido al verre?

matto4x4 19-02-2008 23:52:56
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
El motor venia en un malibu classic año 1980.
es un v6 de 3800cc ahora me dijeron que era un 262... pero alli toy en la
duda ???

:roll:

cristianz 19-02-2008 23:57:08
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
Si es del Malibu es 3.8
tengo uno desarmado en venta

matto4x4 20-02-2008 00:00:43
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
los hp exactos de este motor??? 175??

matto4x4 20-02-2008 00:08:12
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
hoy se sacaron detalles de latas que estaban molestando (int tapabarros)
se saco aspa con junta por falta de espacio, se reemplazara por
electroventilador.:-)

Kruger 20-02-2008 10:21:19
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
Cita:
Empezado por matto4x4 (Mensaje 523652)
El motor venia en un malibu classic año 1980.
es un v6 de 3800cc ahora me dijeron que era un 262... pero alli toy en la
duda ???

:roll:
entonces 262 no es..... el 80 no existia todavia....

Kruger 20-02-2008 10:22:16
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
Cita:
Empezado por matto4x4 (Mensaje 523656)
los hp exactos de este motor??? 175??
:shock: no creo, 130, 140 cuando mucho, bien trabajado puede llegar a los 175, lease multiples, filtros, carburador sin sistema de control de emisiones, etc....

.............I chose to swap in a V6. Even the smallest domestic V6, in stock form, has more useable low rpm torque and horsepower than most "built" 4cyl. engines. While a 22R can be modified to produce an impressive amount of horsepower, it is generally well out of the useable, low rpm range for my use. Another factor to consider is long-term reliability. Whenever an engine is highly modified, you've potentially compromised reliability in the name of performance. A V6 can simply make more power in stock form and remain very reliable.

I chose the Buick V6 because it is a very common engine, which is evidenced by the price that I paid for the two rebuildable cores that I bought. The 3.8L Buick V6 is a smaller engine, physically, compared to the 4.3L GM V6, but only sacrificing 31 cubic engines. The 4.3L has 262 ci. compared to the 3.8L at 231 ci. The physical difference between these two engines allow the Buick V6 to fit into the small, Toyota engine compartment a little easier than the 4.3L V6, with only a small sacrifice in power over a compartively built 4.3L V6. The Buick V6 also has the distributor in the front of the engine which avoids one problem associated with a 4.3L swap due to it having its distributor in the rear of the engine which can cause firewall clearance problems.

Many will also tell you of vibration problems associated with the Buick V6. Most all of this vibration is due to the engine being externally balanced like the GM Small Block 400. Having the engine balanced at a skilled machine shop should cure most all of these vibrations and consequently cause the engine to last much longer.

According to a computer simulated dyno program that I have, the engine that I have built puts out 270 ft. lbs of torque @ 2000 rpm and 175 hp. @ 3500 rpm. From these numbers you can tell that I haven't built a racing engine but a torque motor. Had I chosen a different cam I could have had much higher horsepower numbers but that isn't what a rock crawling motor needs. In fact, the cam that I selected is the smallest cam that I could find. Because of it's design and rpm characteristics at highway speeds, it will be well within its torque power range and consequently give excellent fuel mileage.

For those who want to build a real 3.8L torque monster engine, stroker cranks are available from a company called Speed-O-Motive. They have cranks that have almost (0.25") 1/4" more stroke than the factory crank which would produce alot more torque.

matto4x4 21-02-2008 00:02:12
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
esta afuera el sistema de recuperacion de gases y el compresor del a/c.
lo deje solo con la bomba de hidraulica.

saludos

matto4x4 21-02-2008 00:06:19
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
gracias por los comentarios y los aportess

saludoss..;)

RAUL VEGA 21-02-2008 03:38:23
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
Cita:
Empezado por Kruger (Mensaje 523764)
:shock: no creo, 130, 140 cuando mucho, bien trabajado puede llegar a los 175, lease multiples, filtros, carburador sin sistema de control de emisiones, etc....

.............I chose to swap in a V6. Even the smallest domestic V6, in stock form, has more useable low rpm torque and horsepower than most "built" 4cyl. engines. While a 22R can be modified to produce an impressive amount of horsepower, it is generally well out of the useable, low rpm range for my use. Another factor to consider is long-term reliability. Whenever an engine is highly modified, you've potentially compromised reliability in the name of performance. A V6 can simply make more power in stock form and remain very reliable.

I chose the Buick V6 because it is a very common engine, which is evidenced by the price that I paid for the two rebuildable cores that I bought. The 3.8L Buick V6 is a smaller engine, physically, compared to the 4.3L GM V6, but only sacrificing 31 cubic engines. The 4.3L has 262 ci. compared to the 3.8L at 231 ci. The physical difference between these two engines allow the Buick V6 to fit into the small, Toyota engine compartment a little easier than the 4.3L V6, with only a small sacrifice in power over a compartively built 4.3L V6. The Buick V6 also has the distributor in the front of the engine which avoids one problem associated with a 4.3L swap due to it having its distributor in the rear of the engine which can cause firewall clearance problems.

Many will also tell you of vibration problems associated with the Buick V6. Most all of this vibration is due to the engine being externally balanced like the GM Small Block 400. Having the engine balanced at a skilled machine shop should cure most all of these vibrations and consequently cause the engine to last much longer.

According to a computer simulated dyno program that I have, the engine that I have built puts out 270 ft. lbs of torque @ 2000 rpm and 175 hp. @ 3500 rpm. From these numbers you can tell that I haven't built a racing engine but a torque motor. Had I chosen a different cam I could have had much higher horsepower numbers but that isn't what a rock crawling motor needs. In fact, the cam that I selected is the smallest cam that I could find. Because of it's design and rpm characteristics at highway speeds, it will be well within its torque power range and consequently give excellent fuel mileage.

For those who want to build a real 3.8L torque monster engine, stroker cranks are available from a company called Speed-O-Motive. They have cranks that have almost (0.25") 1/4" more stroke than the factory crank which would produce alot more torque.
La vibración por el balenceo externo y el distinto orden de encendido, quizas esto mismo para ayudar en la vibración. Creo suena mortal ese motor.

Raúl

Kruger 21-02-2008 09:55:58
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
Cita:
Empezado por matto4x4 (Mensaje 522876)
necesito transfer gm np 205 .....

o alguna compatible para dif dana .
La 205 es una exelente tranfer para manejar grandes potencias, es 2:1 en low y es muy pesada. por que no buscas algo de aluminio, como una 231 que ademas es mas reducida? o una 208

matto4x4 21-02-2008 20:38:11
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
la 231 o la 208 quien la trae???

para buscarla que ando en eso, o si alguien tiene una $$$;)

matto4x4 24-02-2008 17:49:53
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
en busqueda de la transferrrr????



gracias por aportes..

luego mas fotos, saludoss.:-)

matto4x4 27-02-2008 14:57:51
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
Encontre campana para embrague hidraulico asi que

se estara montando mañana junto con la direccion hidraulica por fuera.
de camion chevrolet.

saludoss:lol:

matto4x4 27-02-2008 21:29:08
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
cual es la numeracion de caja transfer blazer mecanica???

saludos..

matto4x4 04-03-2008 14:31:44
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
proximamente mas fotoss..;);)

Ignacio 04-03-2008 19:29:16
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
Cita:
Empezado por matto4x4 (Mensaje 526927)
cual es la numeracion de caja transfer blazer mecanica???

saludos..
Si te refieres a la S10 Blazer, la transfer es la NP231C. Ojo que la NP231J que treen los Jeep, tiene diferente apernadura hacia la caja.

Si te refieres a la Blazer K5, las transfer que traía son: NP205, NP203, NP241, NP208, Dana20 dependiendo del año.

Yo también me tiraría por una más liviana que la 205 o 203.

Saludos

ID

matto4x4 05-03-2008 11:13:47
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
gracias ..
entonces la que me ofrecen es de una blazer seria la 231 c..

esa le estaria poniendo con caja sm 465.

saludos.. ;)

Kruger 05-03-2008 11:45:01
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
Cita:
Empezado por matto4x4 (Mensaje 529335)
gracias ..
entonces la que me ofrecen es de una blazer seria la 231 c..

esa le estaria poniendo con caja sm 465.

saludos.. ;)
Ojo con el lado de la salida del cardan delantero......

No la puedes conseguir con la TH 700 original?

Ignacio 06-03-2008 08:50:35
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
Cita:
Empezado por Kruger (Mensaje 529350)
Ojo con el lado de la salida del cardan delantero......

No la puedes conseguir con la TH 700 original?
Eso mismo, la 231C tiene la salida delantera al lado piloto.

Saludos

ID

matto4x4 10-03-2008 00:59:53
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
en busqueda de transfer ya que la que necesitaba se vendio......

algun dato??'

Kruger 12-03-2008 00:23:51
Re: Proyecto samurai v6 3.8cc
 
Cita:
Empezado por matto4x4 (Mensaje 531021)
en busqueda de transfer ya que la que necesitaba se vendio......

algun dato??'
VE la N^P 208 que venden en el foro antes que la compre para "futuros" ingertos........

parece que esta llegar y poner........


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